Another method of Evangelicals
They had previously watched some of the pastoral teachings from one Eric Hansen of the iWorship center @ Springfield, IL. On an sermon that aired July 5, 2009, he referred to people who come door to door, with other books as “cults.” This person subsequently sent the following letter to Mr. Hansen.
That is not Christian Mr. Hansen.
I will no longer watch your Sermons, and hope you learn in the future to be more Christian.
There is no “biblical definition” of cult, and so you can’t say you’re just saying what the bible preaches. cult, like “trinity” is not a biblical word.
Some other people you could learn from.
“By themselves, words like “cult” or “brainwashed” really amount to nothing more than stinky poo-poo head in today’s religious discourse.There are better ways to explain human beings than words that are so emotionally charged that they obscure more than they illuminate.” Seth R.
“If we’re actually looking for polite civil discourse on these subjects, then no, those terms generally aren’t useful.” Bridget Jack Meyers
Quotes found here.
“Overuse of the term “cult” in the public square sometimes substitutes for actual arguments with thoughtful dissenting groups. As a traditional Christian I have serious theological disagreements with my friends in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), but it is wrong to label them a cult.* Any quick search will show LDS are willing to defend their views using arguments accessible to non-LDS. These arguments have changed under pressure from counter-arguments from non-LDS scholars and improved. I am not persuaded, to say the least, by these arguments, but LDS willingness to produce careful and responsive scholarship is a nearly infallible sign that they are no cult.”
John Mark Reynolds
May God teach you to be more charitable,
Eric responded to my friend with the following.
I see that the LDS have been knocking @ your door.
If you ever want to talk – I would be more than happy to chat and talk about why the Bible is all you need.
Example: John 2:19. What was Jesus talking about?
Eric A. Hansen
My friend responded to Eric.
Your email ignores most of my email. I don’t care if you want to tell people “the Bible is all one needs.” But I think you MAY be smart enough to find a way of doing that without calling others cults. That’s all. Are you?
There is no biblical precedent for calling anyone a “cult.” It is, however, a large part of the short-bus evangelism that occurs.
” Is Mormonism a cult? No. Only stupid people think this” -Bridget Jack Meyers, a very committed Evangelical Christian.
As I wrote in my previous email.
I used to enjoy listening to your insights.
I cannot listen to insights from someone who uses non-Biblical language to condemn.
I have no interest in debating theological principles, I do hope you learn that your method turns people off.
FWIW, I don’t see how John 2:19 supports calling anyone else a “cult.” John 2:19 references Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection 3days later. It has nothing to do with the matter I emailed you about. The text says, “but He spake of the temple of His body.”
The LDS has so desperately needed to support their heresy that they have their own “translation.” However, they forgot to change John 2:19 which exposes one of their many heresies. “He spake of the temple of his BODY.” (Jh. 2:21).
See, the LDS errantly believes that Jesus only had a spiritual rez., not a physical one.
So we could continue to chat about LDS theology if you like. But if they have to change the Bible and indeed create a new one to fit their heresy – Not sure what else to categorize them as other than a cult.
My friend responded:
You are either confusing the LDS with the Jehovah’s witnesses or some other problem.
The LDS church uses the same KJV that many others use.
They don’t have their “own translation” that they use as their canonical text.
The Jehovah’s witnesses on the other hand us the New World Translation, and I am not fond of their use or their translation. I have not studied them well-enough to know if cult is an appropriate term or not.
Are you mistakenly conflating the LDS/Mormons with the Jehovah’s witnesses?
“See, the LDS errantly believes that Jesus only had a spiritual rez., not a physical one.”
The LDS also believe that Jesus had a physical body, they also believe He was resurrected to it, and He still has it today.
Changing the Bible isn’t usually what defines one as a cult. If so, the translators of the NIV are in big hot water for adding the word “now” to 1 Cor 15:42, simply because it fits their theology better.
I think you need to learn the difference between Mormons/LDS and Jehovah’s witnesses.
I also think you should be hesitate to “teach others” something which you obviously don’t know.
Eric decided the best thing to do was throw out the anti-Mormon garbage:
Sorry. U R Correct I swapped the two around. my bad. hey check this out: http://www.mormoncult.org
My friend decided to cut of the conversation.
The fact that you think the link you sent me is worth reading tells me I made a good choice to not listen to you.
Good luck in your Christian behavior.
Somehow, I’m not inclined to learn anything more about you or your brand of worship.
As a parting blow, the Christian pastor decided to show his loving nature:
Again, my apologies for the misunderstanding. However, the LDS and the JW’s both are in the same category, non-Christian cults.
I’m saddened that you seem to have fallen for their deceptions.
Sorry that you seem to be cutting things off… so, I’ll leave it like this…if ever you want to communicate more – you’ve got my email.
I’ll be praying for you.
So, my gelly friends. What words of wisdom do you have for this loving man of God?